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Help! Nearly Impossible To Give Subcutaneous Fluids To My Guinea Pig. Tips Or Advice?

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Herbadurp

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Hello All!

I have a 3 year old guinea pig named Herbert, who just had a bladder stone removed 4 weeks ago. On Monday, the vet saw that another one has formed and sent me home to perform subcutaneous fluid therapy on him for the next two weeks, so we can flush his bladder of other sediment and attempt to dissolve the stone (which is unlikely). Only problem is, he is an extremely fidgety little pig. For the past two days, my mother and I have tried to give him fluids but he jumps, screams, and kicks. I feel defeated, the vet tech made it look so simple, but even when she demonstrated it on him he was screaming his little lungs out. I will call the vet and ask her for some suggestions or alternatives, but I wanted to reach out and ask if anyone here has any tips. After each failed attempt, I have been giving him water via syringe about 12 ml two to three times a day. For his fluid therapy, he is supposed to receive 50-100 ml per day along with 50 mg of liquid children's vitamin C by mouth. His activity level and appetite is the same, and he does not appear to be in any pain while urinating. He is also happily drinking away from his water bottle, which makes me happy but I know I need to get extra fluids in him somehow. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know!

~Herbert's mom.
 

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I'm sorry I can't help, but hope someone else can come along soon with the answers you are looking for :-)
 

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Sorry to hear about your problems; it's awful when they're ill and don't co-operate. Please don't feel any guilt over this.

I have only needed to give sub-cut fluids to one piggie, and he was very tame, so it was easy (although I still felt bad when he let me know he'd felt it). So, sorry I can't help much. I'm sure you've tried out bribing him with food. It's good that you have your Mum's help. Just keep persevering, hold him firmly and try to ignore the loud protests; sometimes we have to hurt piggies for their own good. Usually, I'd suggest wrapping him tightly in a towel, which would help with his kicking and wriggling, but you might not be able to get to where you have to inject him. It might help if you tried wrapping just his bottom half.

There are lots of experts here who will have shared your problem and I'm sure they'll have better ideas!

Lots of hugs for you and your mum - keep trying! I hope Herbert gets better very soon.
 

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Sorry to hear about your problems; it's awful when they're ill and don't co-operate. Please don't feel any guilt over this.

I have only needed to give sub-cut fluids to one piggie, and he was very tame, so it was easy (although I still felt bad when he let me know he'd felt it). So, sorry I can't help much. I'm sure you've tried out bribing him with food. It's good that you have your Mum's help. Just keep persevering, hold him firmly and try to ignore the loud protests; sometimes we have to hurt piggies for their own good. Usually, I'd suggest wrapping him tightly in a towel, which would help with his kicking and wriggling, but you might not be able to get to where you have to inject him. It might help if you tried wrapping just his bottom half.

There are lots of experts here who will have shared your problem and I'm sure they'll have better ideas!

Lots of hugs for you and your mum - keep trying! I hope Herbert gets better very soon.
Thank you for the hugs! I tried bribing him with so many of his favorite treats, I even stitched a little restraint jacket/tube for him which still didn't stop him from wriggling around. The vet won't be able to get back to me until tomorrow but the technician said to continue syringing him water. Thanks again!
 

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Sorry to hear your having a tough time. I'm afraid I would suggest stopping it as I've met many a pig who will get to a point of not tolerating injections any more. There isn't a particular method I can suggest particularly. Wrapping in a towel is best for restraint and also ensuring you change the place where you inject. SubQ fluids can go anywhere under the skin so you don't have to do just the scuff/neck area as after a while their skin will become sore anyway. If you are really struggling then I would serious consider stopping especially as it isn't going to dissolve the stone.

Sorry not a huge amount of help.

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Sorry to hear your having a tough time. I'm afraid I would suggest stopping it as I've met many a pig who will get to a point of not tolerating injections any more. There isn't a particular method I can suggest particularly. Wrapping in a towel is best for restraint and also ensuring you change the place where you inject. SubQ fluids can go anywhere under the skin so you don't have to do just the scuff/neck area as after a while their skin will become sore anyway. If you are really struggling then I would serious consider stopping especially as it isn't going to dissolve the stone.

Sorry not a huge amount of help.

x
Thank you! I feel a little less guilty about not being able to do it. I haven't gotten as far as getting the needle in him, he's that bad. Maybe tomorrow morning I will examine hime and see if there is another area on his body where he is not too sensitive (although, he is quite a ticklish little guy). I'll keep syringing him water orally in the meantime. Thanks again :)
 

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I have been giving him 50 extra mls of water orally via syringe and he has been doing really well! I split it up throughout the day, of course. He doesn't appear to be in any pain when he poos or pees and his appetite is the same as it was. Hopefully, all the sediment in his bladder gets flushed out by the time I take him to his checkup!
 

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UPDATE: Herbert got worse last night :( He was hunched over and screaming in a lot of pain while urinating and pooping. We rushed him over to an animal ER center which took an xray that showed his urethra was blocked by the stone. They then referred us to another animal hospital an hour away saying that the exotics specialist was ready to operate on him, but upon arriving we were told he was not there and they would not be able to remove the stone. THEN, the vet on duty was able to empty his bladder and push the stone up a little so he would be okay overnight. I just dropped him off for surgery at his primary vet and feel a little better. He has lost some weight since his first cystotomy, and this seemed to worry the vet at the emergency center. His primary vet seems hopeful, as she knows him well and is very experienced with exotics. He's quite the little fighter, and never has had issues bouncing back from surgery but please send him good wishes!
 

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Herb came back last night and is bouncing around like nothing happened! Now we are cracking down on avoiding another stone and getting some weight back on him. Thank you everyone for the kind words and good vibes :) Paws crossed, he stays healthy!
 

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Glad he is recovering well! My girl crunchie has bladder issues, she has a chunk of cucumber morning dinner and bedtime to help towards flushing her bladder out. Every other day i give her veggies torn up in a deep plate with water on top too :) hope he continues to do well x
 

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Glad he is recovering well! My girl crunchie has bladder issues, she has a chunk of cucumber morning dinner and bedtime to help towards flushing her bladder out. Every other day i give her veggies torn up in a deep plate with water on top too :) hope he continues to do well x
I'll have to try putting his veggies in a deep plate with water! Thank you :)
 
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