New Piggies - Veggies or Not?

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Hello, I just got two male baby guinea pigs from a pet store. They said the piggies are roughly 10-12 weeks old. They told me that they need to be on pellets and alfalfa hay for another four weeks before I slowly introduce veggies to them. However, I'm finding other information online saying that I need to introduce veggies as soon as possible. I also found online to not feed alfalfa and alfalfa based pellets to young guinea pigs because it's too much calcium. The pellets I'm feeding currently is Oxbow (both my vet and pet store recommended, also that's the food they were on at the store) Essentials Young Guinea Pig Food. The label says "ingredient high fiber, protein rich alfalfa hay".

I try to aim for the best diet for all of my animals. Can someone please tell me the best diet for two young guinea pigs roughly 3 months old? Veggies or No Veggies? Timothy Hay or Alfalfa Hay? Thank you in advance :) <3
 
Welcome to the forum

In short, the diet needs to be unlimited timothy hay, one cup of veg per pig per day and one tablespoon of pellets per pig per day. No alfalfa.

Piggies eat hay, veg and a small amount of pellets pretty much from birth and their diet at birth, their diet now at their age and their diet as an adult is exactly the same.

They should not have been kept off of veg, so please do start to introduce veg but you will need to do so slowly - you cannot just give them lots of veg given their digestion has not been built up for it. You need to start right from basics and only give a very small amount of one type at a time. Give that for a week, and then introduce another type of veg, give one for a week and then introduce another etc. All while gradually building up the amounts. The four safe veg which can be fed daily are cilantro, lettuce, cucumber and bell pepper. The guide below shows a sample plate of the sort of amounts they will be able to have once their digestion is used to it. Piggies learn from their mother and from each other so if they have gone this long without being exposed to veg in the presence of other piggies to each learn together, they may be unsure of trying new things so you may need to be patient in trying to get them to eat some

As for the alfalfa, it should not be in the diet. It is not a grass hay and is too high in calcium. A very small baby can be given a very small amount each day but by the time they are weaned at 3 weeks old, it does not need to be in the diet any longer.
You can continue to give the alfalfa pellets until they are four months of age if you wish to do so but make sure you keep it very limited. Most long term owners will never feed alfalfa containing pellets - there is simply no need.

With that said, you should change pellet brands gradually over the course of about two weeks mixing old to new 90:10, 80:20 etc until they are fully on new pellets. However, if you are going to continue feeding oxbow pellets but just switch to the normal pellets then you may not need to be quite as cautious if the ingredients are basically the same (except minus the alfalfa).

The amount of pellets in the bowl in your avatar picture is far too much though - each piggy should have just one tablespoon each day. Never allow them constant access to pellets. Pellets, even ones which do not contain Alfalfa, are still very high in calcium and pellets and unfiltered drinking water contribute most calcium into the diet. Keeping pellets very limited will be of huge benefit to them as it will encourage higher hay intake. Pellets do not make up any significant part of their diet and are in fact the one part of the diet they do not need to have.


Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets
 
Hello and welcome to the forum. Great advice above from @Piggies&buns as usual. Can’t wait to hear and see more about your piggies.
 
Welcome to the forum

In short, the diet needs to be unlimited timothy hay, one cup of veg per pig per day and one tablespoon of pellets per pig per day. No alfalfa.

Piggies eat hay, veg and a small amount of pellets pretty much from birth and their diet at birth, their diet now at their age and their diet as an adult is exactly the same.

They should not have been kept off of veg, so please do start to introduce veg but you will need to do so slowly - you cannot just give them lots of veg given their digestion has not been built up for it. You need to start right from basics and only give a very small amount of one type at a time. Give that for a week, and then introduce another type of veg, give one for a week and then introduce another etc. All while gradually building up the amounts. The four safe veg which can be fed daily are cilantro, lettuce, cucumber and bell pepper. The guide below shows a sample plate of the sort of amounts they will be able to have once their digestion is used to it. Piggies learn from their mother and from each other so if they have gone this long without being exposed to veg in the presence of other piggies to each learn together, they may be unsure of trying new things so you may need to be patient in trying to get them to eat some

As for the alfalfa, it should not be in the diet. It is not a grass hay and is too high in calcium. A very small baby can be given a very small amount each day but by the time they are weaned at 3 weeks old, it does not need to be in the diet any longer.
You can continue to give the alfalfa pellets until they are four months of age if you wish to do so but make sure you keep it very limited. Most long term owners will never feed alfalfa containing pellets - there is simply no need.

With that said, you should change pellet brands gradually over the course of about two weeks mixing old to new 90:10, 80:20 etc until they are fully on new pellets. However, if you are going to continue feeding oxbow pellets but just switch to the normal pellets then you may not need to be quite as cautious if the ingredients are basically the same (except minus the alfalfa).

The amount of pellets in the bowl in your avatar picture is far too much though - each piggy should have just one tablespoon each day. Never allow them constant access to pellets. Pellets, even ones which do not contain Alfalfa, are still very high in calcium and pellets and unfiltered drinking water contribute most calcium into the diet. Keeping pellets very limited will be of huge benefit to them as it will encourage higher hay intake. Pellets do not make up any significant part of their diet and are in fact the one part of the diet they do not need to have.


Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets
I apologize for taking so long to reply! I wanted to just say thank you very much for the information. Since I have received your answer, I have been giving my guinea pigs 1/2 cup of veggies 2x daily, less pellets, and I got rid of the alfalfa hay and got Timothy hay. I started them on Romaine Lettuce, then I introduced Parsley. I have given them some cucumber because I know it's just water but they really don't eat the cucumber. I have tried introducing orange pepper, but they have no interest in trying it. I will be introducing a new veggie here soon too. I'm thinking of seeing if they would like cabbage.

I have a chart of "piggie approved veggies" but please feel free to make suggestions or correct what I'm already doing, I want my boys to be healthy!

((It's so frustrating buying pets from pet stores because they do give out the wrong information. And it makes me fear other animals going home to other people who don't know that they need to feed (all) pets the best diet possible so the animal can live a long and healthy life. But maybe that's the animal lover in me talking.))

Anyway, thank you for the info!
 
It can take them a while to learn that something is safe to eat. They learn from each other so often if one is brave enough to try it, they both will!

Be careful with parsley. They can have it, but it is a high calcium herb and needs to be kept limited to a few small amount and only once a week. Too much calcium is not good for them and can lead to bladder problems.
Other high calcium veg are kale and spinach. Only feed one of these, once a week in small amounts.

Cabbage can cause bloat so don’t overdo it if you feed some to them.

The guide below will help you further

Edible And Forbidden Veg And Fruit List With Vitamin C Grading
 
It can take them a while to learn that something is safe to eat. They learn from each other so often if one is brave enough to try it, they both will!

Be careful with parsley. They can have it, but it is a high calcium herb and needs to be kept limited to a few small amount and only once a week. Too much calcium is not good for them and can lead to bladder problems.
Other high calcium veg are kale and spinach. Only feed one of these, once a week in small amounts.

Cabbage can cause bloat so don’t overdo it if you feed some to them.

The guide below will help you further

Edible And Forbidden Veg And Fruit List With Vitamin C Grading
Whoo! Okay another correction I have to make! Thank you, I will check out this list you gave me! Internet is scary, I swear I'm trying to do my research 😅
 
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