Help! 2 Boars constantly fighting, but no blood drawn

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Hi guys! I rescued two skinny pigs from a local rescue in February. They are going to be two years old in July. I know that boys can be aggressive with each other, but I’m having a hard time determining if what I’m seeing warrants separating. One is specifically the bully, and the other never starts anything. They were surrendered to a shelter, then a rescue got them to adopt out, and then within about 1.5 weeks of them arriving at the rescue, I adopted them. So they’ve moved around a lot in a short time! Their history isn’t well known, but the bullied one has scars on his back.

As soon as I got them home, it was clear that one was a major bully to the other. Bingley (the bully) constantly guards all food. I mean all of it, and all the time. If Darcy (the submissive one) tries eating in the kitchen area and Bingley is on the opposite end of the cage doing his own thing, he runs to Darcy and starts nipping the back of his neck, his butt, or his face. Darcy just freezes and screams :/ and then flees to another spot in the cage. Bingley chases him and keeps the nipping going. Eventually he stops to eat himself, and that’s when Darcy eats. I have never seen any mounting, it’s always biting and chasing. No major blood has been drawn yet, however on day 3 of them being home, I found a small slice on Darcy’s back. Nothing that caused drops of blood, but definitely shaved the top layer of his skin off. I didn’t see what happened, but I do assume it was his brother since there is nothing sharp in the cage. It’s been almost 2 months since they’ve come home, and their fighting doesn’t seem to be improving. There have been no more cuts, but Darcy seems to just live in fear and Bingley seems to live to bully him. I haven’t witnessed any torpedos, but lots of biting and chasing even though Darcy never challenges Bingley back. They also are frequently chattering at each other most of the day. It’s unusual to see them sitting near each other eating. I’ve seen it, it’s just rare. What’s common is that I hear Darcy screaming out from the other end of the house multiple times a day as well, and I know it’s because Bingley is snapping at him again.

Basically, I don’t know if I should allow Bingley to continue terrorizing his brother since he’s not making him bleed, or if it would be better for them to put a divider in. I don’t want to separate and break their bond if this is all normal and okay, but I also feel terrible that Darcy seems so scared all the time.

To get a better idea of their living situation, here are the necessary details!

Cage:
They’re in a c&c L shaped cage (14 inch cubes). It’s a 2x5 for the longer part, and a 2x3 for the shorter part that sticks out. So it’s a pretty large cage!

Hay:
There is a huge kitchen area at one end of the 2x5 section of their cage with a massive pile of hay. I also put small piles right outside of this tray because they often won’t eat in here at the same time despite the tray being about a 2x2 grid size.

Then a couple feet away, I have a hanging toy which holds a handful of hay for extra enrichment. I put a small pile under this toy as well.

In the 2x3 section, I have a large hay rack from Piggies choice that I keep full, and I also put a pile in the corner about a foot and a half away so that there are two piles in this section.

Pellets:
There are 3-4 spots with their pellets in the cage far apart from each other.

Water:
I have two large bottles on opposite ends of the cage.

Hides:
I have 3 hides in the cage which have more than one entrance. I also have a hammock which isn’t technically covered, but I drape fleece over those grids for a bit of a covered feel.

Any and all advice is welcome! I just want to do the best thing for my boys <3
 
I would recommend you carry out a temporary separation and then after a few days apart, reintroduce them on neutral territory (very important), to allow them to make their decision about their relationship. If the piggy perks up and is happier when they are apart then that is usually the sign to say that their bond is not functioning and they need to be kept apart. The bully will always be upset by the separation, you may see bar chewing etc, but it is not his reaction which is the deciding factor.
If you carry out a reintroduction (neutral territory) it will become quite clear fairly quickly if they were happier apart.

Dominance is one thing and you leave them to get on with that, but if things tip over into bullying then that is another matter. Yes, normally we say leave them to sort it out unless a fight occurs, but if things are clearly tense and not functioning, then you don’t need to wait to see an actual fight before calling it a day.

Ensure you carry out their weekly weight checks for life but it might be wise to switch to daily weight checks for the ’bullied’ piggy to ensure he is being allowed to eat. Becoming withdrawn, not being allowed to eat, being relentlessly chased are signs of potential bullying and that is usually bond breaking, sadly.

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Pellets - should only ever be one tablespoon per pig per day. If you have them in 3/4 places, then do check you aren’t overfeeding them. This can lead to excess calcium which can lead to health problems. Pellets are the least important part of the diet

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:agr: with @Piggies&buns. I would divide the cage and implement a trial separation to see how they behave. You may find the bully is upset but the bullied pig thrives being alone. If that’s the case then the decision is easier. If they both seem upset or depressed then you can look at a one time reintroduction in an entirely neutral area to see if they get on. Be prepared that they may not, though. Good luck.
 
I would recommend you carry out a temporary separation and then after a few days apart, reintroduce them on neutral territory (very important), to allow them to make their decision about their relationship. If the piggy perks up and is happier when they are apart then that is usually the sign to say that their bond is not functioning and they need to be kept apart. The bully will always be upset by the separation, you may see bar chewing etc, but it is not his reaction which is the deciding factor.
If you carry out a reintroduction (neutral territory) it will become quite clear fairly quickly if they were happier apart.

Dominance is one thing and you leave them to get on with that, but if things tip over into bullying then that is another matter. Yes, normally we say leave them to sort it out unless a fight occurs, but if things are clearly tense and not functioning, then you don’t need to wait to see an actual fight before calling it a day.

Ensure you carry out their weekly weight checks for life but it might be wise to switch to daily weight checks for the ’bullied’ piggy to ensure he is being allowed to eat. Becoming withdrawn, not being allowed to eat, being relentlessly chased are signs of potential bullying and that is usually bond breaking, sadly.

Bonds In Trouble
A Comprehensive Guide to Guinea Pig Boars

Pellets - should only ever be one tablespoon per pig per day. If you have them in 3/4 places, then do check you aren’t overfeeding them. This can lead to excess calcium which can lead to health problems. Pellets are the least important part of the diet

Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets
Thank you so much for this information! This makes sense, I'll do a trial separation and see how they do. I have definitely been doing extra weight checks for Darcy, and so far he's been okay, but man he has to work hard to get his food most of the day, poor thing. I hope to see clear signs if he's happier alone soon!

As for the pellets, yes! They each get about an 1/8cup of pellets each per day, but I put a few pellets in one spot, then space it out in tiny piles so they can forage because when I did two bowls, they were still fighting over them. They often don't finish their pellets as it is, as they prefer their hay and veggies :)
 
:agr: with @Piggies&buns. I would divide the cage and implement a trial separation to see how they behave. You may find the bully is upset but the bullied pig thrives being alone. If that’s the case then the decision is easier. If they both seem upset or depressed then you can look at a one time reintroduction in an entirely neutral area to see if they get on. Be prepared that they may not, though. Good luck.
I have a feeling my little bully will be quite upset, lol. But that's what happens when you constantly battle your poor brother! I truly hope I see Darcy start to relax quickly. If they do better when separate, would it be wise to try to find Darcy a friend, since he seems to be a very submissive pig? Of course, if that new bond doesn't work out, then I'd have three single pigs.
 
I have a feeling my little bully will be quite upset, lol. But that's what happens when you constantly battle your poor brother! I truly hope I see Darcy start to relax quickly. If they do better when separate, would it be wise to try to find Darcy a friend, since he seems to be a very submissive pig? Of course, if that new bond doesn't work out, then I'd have three single pigs.

If you don’t want to get any more piggies, then the two you have will be ok living as neighbours side by side as they will be able to interact through th bars. That is a suitable way of living.

Of course for both of them to have a live in friend is the very best thing going forward - so four piggies - but you may not feel you can manage with that many.
The safest way to find a new friend for one or both of them is with the help of a rescue centre if you have one near you (and that either a boar friend or neuter them both, have them six week post op wait to become infertile and then finding a sow for them both). They can help ensure character compatibility between the two piggies. However, I know centres are harder to find in the US and not all will offer boar dating. Therefore, if you could buy a new friend, as you say, you will run the risk of more failed bondings and more single piggies

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1/8 converts to just over one imperial tablespoon so still slightly too much but if they don’t finish them, then at lest they aren’t overeating them.
It’s a good idea to scatter feed for boars - an stop the food hogging and also provides enrichment. If they were bickering with two bowls (which would be the recommended thing to do if you weren’t going to scatter feed (which is best)) , then things don’t sound brilliant between them Unfortunafely
 
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