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Licking off miconazole cream!

popcornpiggles

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My Pixie has a little patch of ringworm that I am attempting to treat with topical miconazole nitrate, but after applying it she immediately tries to groom herself to remove the cream, and I'm worried that her aggravating the infection. Is there any way I can get her to leave the skin alone, even just to give the cream enough time to do it's job?

Also, should I isolate her? I'm hesitant to as she's very social and would suffer on her own, and the others show no symptoms, other than one of my old lady pigs who had some hair loss that I was sure was fungal, but the vet assured me it was likely a symptom of the mass in her belly, unfortunately.

Here is my wee menace to society.
 

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Unfortunately there is not really any way for you to stop her grooming it off.
Creaming is the least effective method for treating ringworm as spores are shed from a wider area than you add the cream this can perpetuate the infection.

As she has been with the others, isolating her now is not much use. They have been exposed. You are better off to treat the others with bathing. There is a 10-14 day incubation period between exposure and symptoms so so keep an eye on your others is they are still to get to that window.

I’ve added the ringworm guide below as it fully explains everything including the disinfection required

Ringworm: Hygiene, Care And Pictures
 
Unfortunately there is not really any way for you to stop her grooming it off.
Creaming is the least effective method for treating ringworm as spores are shed from a wider area than you add the cream this can perpetuate the infection.

As she has been with the others, isolating her now is not much use. They have been exposed. You are better off to treat the others with bathing. There is a 10-14 day incubation period between exposure and symptoms so so keep an eye on your others is they are still to get to that window.

I’ve added the ringworm guide below as it fully explains everything including the disinfection required

Ringworm: Hygiene, Care And Pictures
Thanks so much for this, I'll take a look at the guide. I have an antifungal shampoo, I was just hesitant to bathe her as I've heard that skinnies don't tolerate bathing too well! Would you recommend bathing both her and her buddies?
 
Has the vet been consulted for this ringworm?
The best treatment is a prescribed oral medication called intrafungol.

I cannot comment on the risks of bathing skinnies I’m afraid.
 
Has the vet been consulted for this ringworm?
The best treatment is a prescribed oral medication called intrafungol.

I cannot comment on the risks of bathing skinnies I’m afraid.
Haven't seen a vet yet, will be my next step. It was very small and I though maybe if I got it quickly I could nip it in the bud, but unfortunately not. So many vet trips lately 🤦🏼
 
Haven't seen a vet yet, will be my next step. It was very small and I though maybe if I got it quickly I could nip it in the bud, but unfortunately not. So many vet trips lately 🤦🏼

Definitely get to the vet and never try to treat ringworm on spec. Ringworm really needs to be hit hard from the beginning otherwise it can become a recurring nightmare.
Using creams which are ineffective anyway, and bathing before seeing a vet will make diagnosis harder.

Get hold of some F10. It is a vet grade disinfectant which kills ringworm when made to the right strength - it tells you on the bottle. Make sure you are exercising your own strict hygiene so that you don’t catch it also
 
Definitely get to the vet and never try to treat ringworm on spec. Ringworm really needs to be hit hard from the beginning otherwise it can become a recurring nightmare.
Using creams which are ineffective anyway, and bathing before seeing a vet will make diagnosis harder.

Get hold of some F10. It is a vet grade disinfectant which kills ringworm when made to the right strength - it tells you on the bottle. Make sure you are exercising your own strict hygiene so that you don’t catch it also
Thanks, I have f10 already so I'll do a big clean and disinfect tomorrow, as well as get hold of the vet. Fingers crossed I get an appointment on the day or I'll have to wait til Monday 🥲 I won't bathe Pixie til she's seen a vet.
 
Update for Pixie: the vet took a look and recommended I continue with the miconazole cream for now, as well as prescribing an antibiotic just in case of any infection. I mentioned I have an antifungal shampoo and she was unsure about whether bathing Pixie would be a good idea given that she's a skinny, but she said it couldn't hurt to bathe the others and disinfect the cage. She was hesitant to prescribe an oral antifungal at this point due to possible side effects and the fact that it is extremely expensive. She recommended giving applying the cream at veggie time so that she was distracted.

Additionally, I'm in the middle of bathing the rest of the herd, and I found a few lice on Miss Baby. They had an infestation a few months ago when my Merlin got sick from something unrelated, and I ended up not doing the final treatment as he got very unwell and passed away soon after, so I must have just not hit the lice hard enough. Feeling like a rubbish pigmum with how often my babies have been having problems over the past few months, I swear they're spoilt wee things, it's just been one thing after another!

I was wondering if anyone knew if it would be advisable to bathe a pig with an antifungal shampoo, followed by an ivermectin shampoo, or would this be ineffective/harmful? I could get xeno from the vets but last time I treated my herd it was so bloody expensive for 3 treatments of xeno per pig and I already have a shampoo, so I'm just considering that given how much I've already spent at the vets lately. I will of course consult my vet about this at Pixie's check up appointment and won't make any decisions on treatment until I've got vet confirmation.
 
The issue is that creaming is very ineffective against ringworm. Spores are shed from a wider area than you apply the cream meaning they can just pick up shed spores and the infection continues….
Bathing is better than creaming as at least that catches the whole body.
We have many piggies on the forum treated with oral treatment successfully and without side effects.

I'm going to tag in @Wiebke here because I am not sure how an anti fungal shampoo and an ivermectin shampoo (or how effective that is as a single angle of treatment against lice) would work together. I don’t know that you could do them at the same time and this may mean you end up having to do so many baths on them that it could be so much more stressful for them.
 
The issue is that creaming is very ineffective against ringworm. Spores are shed from a wider area than you apply the cream meaning they can just pick up shed spores and the infection continues….
Bathing is better than creaming as at least that catches the whole body.
We have many piggies on the forum treated with oral treatment successfully and without side effects.

I'm going to tag in @Wiebke here because I am not sure how an anti fungal shampoo and an ivermectin shampoo (or how effective that is as a single angle of treatment against lice) would work together. I don’t know that you could do them at the same time and this may mean you end up having to do so many baths on them that it could be so much more stressful for them.

Hi

You need to wait each time for 48 hours (2 days) after every bath or spot-on treatment in order to allow it to be full absorbed and not just washed away by the next treatment. This rule applies for both fungal and skin parasites. They do need unfortunately different treatments for each problem. So you have to carefully plan out your bathing/treatment days ahead.
Here is our guide on how to bathe your piggies safely without the risk of freak jumps and accidents: Bathing (including cleaning grease glands)

Because that is very stressful for both you and your piggies, we generally recommend to have one of the treatments orally (ivermectin can be given orally, as can fungal treatment but neither is licensed for guinea pig and you need to use the right brand, or you can kill) or as a spot-on (ivermectin). Miconazole can be given orally, so you are in luck; licking won't harm your piggy.

Creaming for ringworm is very ineffective as it does not prevent long-lived (over 2 years), highly contagious and species jumping invisibly tiny spores being shed - picked up from their bedding or coats as a secondary infection spot - in their thousands. The time between infection and actual outbreak is 10-14 days. Creaming cannot break this cycles and usually results in a long-running saga.
Oral medication or baths can kill off infections in the skin before they become an acute spot shedding more spores.

Ringworm is less a medical than strict hygiene problem, that also includes disinfecting their habitat and you being very careful about hand washing etc. (including washing your special clothes at a high temperatures after it has been in contact with ringworm piggies as you can transmit ringworm that way as well as via your hands. We have learned all these lessons the hard way and have included effective measures to cut out all possible transmission angles in our Ringworm guide. Ringworm and skin parasites are issues where it really pays to go straight for the kitchen sink; they are sadly far too often underestimated.

Our Ringworm guide takes you step by step through everything you need to do in order to get on top of it. Cutting corners and doing treatment on the cheap (creaming) is false economy as you just prolong the problem and spend a lot of money on ineffective treatments.
Here is the link: Ringworm: Hygiene, Care And Pictures

A good quality ivermectin course for potential mange mites needs only be done three times at the product specific interval. Vet quality products usually have generally a 2 weeks interval.

Mange mites can kill if left un- or undertreated but unlike ringworm they are species specific. Ringworm is the most infectious species jumping problem you can come across in your pets - it can affect other rodents, rabbits cats and dogs as much as humans.

I hope that this helps you, @popcornpiggles ? I am very sorry that you are finding yourself in this situation.
 
Thank you both @Wiebke and @Piggies&buns so much for your responses!

I was advised by someone who keeps skinnies that bathing shouldn't be an issue when it's for a medical treatment, and since it's summer I have less to worry about with her getting cold! So a wee update: the shampoo and cage disinfect have done wonders for Pixie 🥰 I will attach a photo later on, but the skin is no longer inflamed and the areas of infection seem to have shrunk slightly. They are still a little dry and flakey, but it certainly appears less sore and crusty than it did before. She has her vet check up on Monday next week, so I will let you know how that goes too, as I will be bringing up the lice with my vet. So glad she's looking better, I was worries as I've never had to treat ringworm before! Thank you for being so helpful and informative. 🩷
 
As you can see, not fully healed yet - but an improvement for sure!
 

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Please keep on with hygiene in order to prevent any returns. But glad that the measures are working so far. :tu:
I absolutely will, the shampoo is recommended to be used twice weekly for fungal issues so I will be doing another bath and cage disinfect this week (and being careful with handling/hand washing/washing fleece items and clothing the come in contact with etc!).
 
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