My guinea pigs hate being touched ever since I started giving them medicine :(

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My 8-9 week old guinea pigs came with a lot of sicknesses. They have ringworm, a cold, and both have bladder issues. The vet treats them for ringworm once a week, which they hate and scream extremely loud like they are dying, but they bounce back pretty quickly when I get them home. They are on two different plant based medicines for the other things since they are too young for harsher antibiotics. I give them the medicine two times a day (2 syringes in morning and 1-2 at night). It really sucks because they are so small and they aren't even completely used to being handled yet so it's been a struggle. It usually takes me about 2-5 minutes to give them the meds. I use the tactic most people on here suggest which is holding them with their back against my chest and my left hand around their head while using the right hand to put the syringe in. They are super squirmy and absolutely hate the syringe so even when I get their heads in a pretty tight grip they move their mouth all around to avoid the meds. I also tried wrapping them in a towel, but I actually found it harder to control them that way because they basically just recess their tiny head into it. It takes me a while, but I get it done eventually. In the morning, I give them cucumber in between syringes and after. I also give them a pellet which they love. In the evening, I give one pellet and hand feed them their daily veggies right after.

They seemed ok yesterday, but today was kind of disaster. I managed to give them both the meds. Hexi happily ate her veggies after, but she refused to be touched. She looked like she was popcorning, but it was more like her telling me to stop touching her. It made me very sad because I literally could not touch her without her completely freaking out. 😣 To try to fix this, I picked her up against her will and gave her a veggie. When she was done with the veggie, I would put her down, forcibly pick her up, and then feed her another veggie. This definitely helped a little bit, but she was still doing the "get off me" popcorning a little bit before I decided to put her back. My other guinea pig, Witchfinder, ate some veggies, then generally acted super distressed the entire time I had her in my lap. She just seemed like she didn't want to be held or touched and her squeaking sounded very annoyed or upset, so I also put her back after a few minutes. They were never like this before. I feel like all of the progress I made with them is out of the window. They still popcorn in their cage and come to the side of the cage to get food from me, but I feel like they are more hesitant and stressed than before, especially when I get them out.

I thought maybe doing something positive after the bad experience would help them be more comfortable with it, but now I don't know. I don't know if I should just put them back after instead. I really hope they don't associate being held with bad stuff now. I also feel rather guilty because I'm not perfect with the syringe yet and their is quite a bit of squirming and stress on their end until I manage to get the meds into them. I've only been giving them the meds for two days, and I'm not sure when I will have to stop, so I really need to figure this out. Advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone 😞
 
Deep breaths. It takes time for piggies to get used to you. Even once they are used to you some piggies just don't like to be held. Give it time. Remind yourself that if you're following your vets advice by giving the medication then you are doing the best thing that you can for your piggies. They might not like it, but they need it.
 
Deep breaths. It takes time for piggies to get used to you. Even once they are used to you some piggies just don't like to be held. Give it time. Remind yourself that if you're following your vets advice by giving the medication then you are doing the best thing that you can for your piggies. They might not like it, but they need it.
Thank you for the kind words. I know I'm doing what has to be done, it just really sucks because I can see an obvious change in their behavior for the worst. They used to have no problem with me petting them and now they freak out when I barely touch them even hours after giving them the meds 😞
 
Try to mitigate the medication by using piggy whispering tips to reassure them that they part of your herd and that you love them. Medication is never nice but they will come round once it has finished and they are feeling a lot better in themselves again. ;)

The piggy whispering prevents them from experiencing medication as random violence: Understanding Prey Animal Instincts, Guinea Pig Whispering And Cuddling Tips
 
That's a real shame. What medication is it? My baby pig went onto anti bs at a similar age. Initially it was septrin which was banana flavoured and she loved that.

Then it was doxycycline which she hated, but she had the anti inflammatory, rheumicon, which is honey flavoured and she loved that too.

And she also absolutely wolfed down her pro biotic, bio lapis.

She has been on medication every day now for 8 weeks of her 16 week life and out of her cage 4 times daily between meds and nebuliser - it's actually made her really handleable; she seems to love her meds.

The key seems to be having something tasty to pop in following the nasty taste - maybe some ribena could do the trick from the syringe?

Dont they enjoy their pro biotic either?

It must be hard going with 2 poorly ones; i have found it labour intensive with just the one.

Hope your efforts pay off and your little ones come round to enjoy full health
 
I'm sorry your piggies are not well, its very upsetting when your first cuddles with them seem like you are torturing them!
We brought home a piggy with ringworm and dental issues and it was weeks of rubbing antifungal stuff into her fur every day and then surgery and medicines and syringe feeding... but you will get through it and it wont damage your relationship long term!

The piggy whispering guides are extremely helpful, and try to always stay calm and have a happy reassuring piggy voice- easier said than done if they are ill, but they will pick up on you being stressed and get even more nervous!

Maybe keep handling to a minimum but give some treats and ear strokes while they are in their cage where they feel safe?

But they will eventually get over their fears and come to love you on their own terms, many piggies never really like being handled or cuddled but most will put up with it in exchange for tasty veggies, and most will let you stroke their ears, chins and faces and run over to you for food- it will all just take time, especially after a rough start, so take it at the piggies pace x
 
Did your vet tell you they were too young for antibiotics? I have not heard this before - but then most of my piggies have been adults when I got them. Even my younger ones looked 'full size'... at least 900g in weight. @Wiebke have you heard of piggies being either too young or too small for antibiotics?

Piggies don't get 'colds'. My vet told me this when I took in one girl for something different and mentioned that she'd 'had a cold' but got over it. Vet said it was most likely a respiratory infection - we were lucky. I'd had URI before in other pigs but they had much worse symptoms - it was easy to tell something was wrong then. My girl just had a day of being a bit quiet and having a wet nose and eyes but she'd perked up by the evening and was back to normal the next day - well, as far as I could tell!

If I had piggies who cried when they peed and also had respiratory symptoms I'd be begging for antibiotics. Don't get me wrong - I am not encouraging over use. I was a scientist once and saw how easily bacteria can become resistant to them so I am cautious only to use when needed. But when they look like they are needed I'm first in the queue as they can take a couple of days to take effect and I don't want to prolong anything. But perhaps vets in Germany take a different approach.

As far as handling goes I think I would currently only handle for meds and vet visits. This means they are only handled for the unpleasant things which is unfortunate, but at the minute they don't know what is going to happen when they are picked up and are just freaking out every time. They are happiest when they are not being handled so for their happiness just leave them be for the next little while until their illnesses are sorted. Once they don't have to be medicated you will be able to build a proper relationship with them, handling for the nicer things in a less confusing way ☺️
 
Did your vet tell you they were too young for antibiotics?


Baytril isnt suitable for baby pigs, so if a vet does want to prescribe an anti biotic for a young pig, it needs to be 'off licence'



Knowing what i know now, i might well have begged my vet for baytril anyway. Because being ill for weeks retards piggy growth anyway so my piggy might have been better on 2 weeks baytril potentially cured than 6 weeks' less effective anti bs and still ongoing . . .
 
Did your vet tell you they were too young for antibiotics? I have not heard this before - but then most of my piggies have been adults when I got them. Even my younger ones looked 'full size'... at least 900g in weight. @Wiebke have you heard of piggies being either too young or too small for antibiotics?

Piggies don't get 'colds'. My vet told me this when I took in one girl for something different and mentioned that she'd 'had a cold' but got over it. Vet said it was most likely a respiratory infection - we were lucky. I'd had URI before in other pigs but they had much worse symptoms - it was easy to tell something was wrong then. My girl just had a day of being a bit quiet and having a wet nose and eyes but she'd perked up by the evening and was back to normal the next day - well, as far as I could tell!

If I had piggies who cried when they peed and also had respiratory symptoms I'd be begging for antibiotics. Don't get me wrong - I am not encouraging over use. I was a scientist once and saw how easily bacteria can become resistant to them so I am cautious only to use when needed. But when they look like they are needed I'm first in the queue as they can take a couple of days to take effect and I don't want to prolong anything. But perhaps vets in Germany take a different approach.

As far as handling goes I think I would currently only handle for meds and vet visits. This means they are only handled for the unpleasant things which is unfortunate, but at the minute they don't know what is going to happen when they are picked up and are just freaking out every time. They are happiest when they are not being handled so for their happiness just leave them be for the next little while until their illnesses are sorted. Once they don't have to be medicated you will be able to build a proper relationship with them, handling for the nicer things in a less confusing way ☺️

Yes, my vet told us they were too young/small. I was not surprised to hear this as I've personally seen the thing about some piggies being too young/small for antibiotics multiple times on different websites. At the time she gave us the meds, they were not even 300 grams yet.

The "cold" thing is just a translation issue. 😅 My husband went with the piggies alone, spoke German with the vet, and relayed the information back to me in English. I just asked him again and he said the vet never called it a cold. She clarified exactly what it was in German, he just decided to translate it as "a cold" because what she actually said was a German medical term that I guess he didn't feel the need to elaborate on lol.

My vet is a really well known guinea pig vet in my area and I trust her judgement. I think she would give them antibiotics if she felt necessary, but she did assure us multiple times that all of their issues are relatively minor and can be treated.

I definitely see your point with not confusing them. I held them in my lap today after their meds to give them some veggies and they seemed to calm down a little quicker this time compared to yesterday at least.
 
Try to mitigate the medication by using piggy whispering tips to reassure them that they part of your herd and that you love them. Medication is never nice but they will come round once it has finished and they are feeling a lot better in themselves again. ;)

The piggy whispering prevents them from experiencing medication as random violence: Understanding Prey Animal Instincts, Guinea Pig Whispering And Cuddling Tips

I have been using the piggy whispering techniques since I've had them🙂 I always give lots of cheek strokes under the eye and little rubs on their ears, especially after the medicine. I sure hope they understand I'm not trying to hurt them!
 
I'm sorry your piggies are not well, its very upsetting when your first cuddles with them seem like you are torturing them!
We brought home a piggy with ringworm and dental issues and it was weeks of rubbing antifungal stuff into her fur every day and then surgery and medicines and syringe feeding... but you will get through it and it wont damage your relationship long term!

The piggy whispering guides are extremely helpful, and try to always stay calm and have a happy reassuring piggy voice- easier said than done if they are ill, but they will pick up on you being stressed and get even more nervous!

Maybe keep handling to a minimum but give some treats and ear strokes while they are in their cage where they feel safe?

But they will eventually get over their fears and come to love you on their own terms, many piggies never really like being handled or cuddled but most will put up with it in exchange for tasty veggies, and most will let you stroke their ears, chins and faces and run over to you for food- it will all just take time, especially after a rough start, so take it at the piggies pace x

Thank you for kind words. I'm glad to hear from someone who has gone through a similar experience. I've been giving them lots of under the eye strokes and ear rubs to try to show them I'm not trying to hurt them. It is quite unfortunate because I feel like they definitely at least tolerated being handled to a degree before and one of my piggies would even lay for a while and nearly fall asleep in my lap, which she doesn't really do anymore. I really feel like all the bonding we've done is gone and now I have to restart all of that at some point in the future. But like you said, we will get through it eventually!
 
That's a real shame. What medication is it? My baby pig went onto anti bs at a similar age. Initially it was septrin which was banana flavoured and she loved that.

Then it was doxycycline which she hated, but she had the anti inflammatory, rheumicon, which is honey flavoured and she loved that too.

And she also absolutely wolfed down her pro biotic, bio lapis.

She has been on medication every day now for 8 weeks of her 16 week life and out of her cage 4 times daily between meds and nebuliser - it's actually made her really handleable; she seems to love her meds.

The key seems to be having something tasty to pop in following the nasty taste - maybe some ribena could do the trick from the syringe?

Dont they enjoy their pro biotic either?

It must be hard going with 2 poorly ones; i have found it labour intensive with just the one.

Hope your efforts pay off and your little ones come round to enjoy full health

The medicines are called Rodicare Uro and Rodicare Pulmo. They definitely seem to hate the taste of both although one of them smells a bit sweet. I thought they'd like them a bit more as they are plant based and there is nothing chemical in them, but I guess I was wrong. I give them a bit of cucumber before, during, and after as a tasty treat to wash out the bad taste. I've tried rubbing the syringe with cucumber which doesn't seem to work. I've read rubbing the syringe with all natural fruit juice might help as well so I may try that. It's definitely not easy to handle this, but I think it's mostly difficult emotionally since it's like a lot of the bonding we've done has been erased despite all of the guinea whispering techniques I've tried.
 
I’m sorry your piggies seem to have taken a step back. You’re doing what’s necessary and your bond WILL recover.

I just wanted to say that it wouldn’t be a good idea to add fruit juices to the meds. Firstly because it’s too much sugar which they shouldn’t have. And secondly, it may make it harder to syringe as you then have more to give them. It would be the same if you diluted. More of a struggle.

I really hope they turn a corner soon and you can enjoy each other more. You’re doing a fabulous job 🤩
 
Ah its so tough isnt it? Honestly, it just takes time and repetition, keep doing the same things, same routine, same calming techniques and they will come around. I have had some real fighters over the years (one who used to snatch the syringe and throw it violently across the room no matter what I did!). I have one currently who is on heart meds for the rest of her life who was a real wriggling pain in the neck for a few weeks, I now dont even need to pick her up.

I also think sometimes they just need to understand what it is you are trying to do (i.e not murder them!). Building on the trust and the relationship and understanding is as important as anything else.

I do wish you luck with them and they will come around !
 
I’m sorry your piggies seem to have taken a step back. You’re doing what’s necessary and your bond WILL recover.

I just wanted to say that it wouldn’t be a good idea to add fruit juices to the meds. Firstly because it’s too much sugar which they shouldn’t have. And secondly, it may make it harder to syringe as you then have more to give them. It would be the same if you diluted. More of a struggle.

I really hope they turn a corner soon and you can enjoy each other more. You’re doing a fabulous job 🤩
Thank you 🙂 I wasn't going to add it into the meds, but maybe like just rub the tiniest amount on the rim of the syringe to make it the slightest bit enticing to put near their mouth. But it probably isn't worth it anyway because they freak out at just the sight of the dang syringe already 😅
 
Yes, i agree that your piggies will come round and forgive you :tu: i wasnt suggesting adding Ribena to the meds.

In fact, i personally have never given any of my pigs Ribena but both my vet and a very well informed and respected breeder that i got my first pigs from both suggest Ribena when pigs are off their food and need a hearty vit c boost.


I was more thinking a little 1.0 ml syringe with diluted ribena to give a small tasty 'hit' after the med could help.


With ebony, she really resisted the horrid doxycycline, but i had her pre-filled 0.1 rheumicam dose pre loaded and ready to go direct after the doxy.


Surely a 0.1 ribena squirt couldnt harm?


Spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down and all that . . .
 
The other things i have used on occasion is Metatone tonic. Normally piggies who have just come out of serious illness or ops. It tastes quite sweet and is full of vitamins. Just need a tiny bit as its quite strong but its less sugary and has a lot of value as a pick me up.

One I had would do anything for tomato juice so I would add a tiny bit of that in her meds.

I guess like us, they all vary it what they love.

Worth a thought?
 
Update: They are still doing the "don't touch me" popcorning and upset squeaking. I took them out of their cage and put them in a holding area while I got the run ready. When I came back and tried to pet them a little and carry them to the run, they both refused to let me touch them. They run in the other direction when they see my hands as well. These things never used to be problems for them. They are clearly very afraid of me now because of the syringe feeding. I've tried all the guinea whispering tactics and it seems like they don't really care right now. Unfortunately I think this is a behavior that won't stop until I stop giving them the meds, which might take weeks :(
 
I have been using the piggy whispering techniques since I've had them🙂 I always give lots of cheek strokes under the eye and little rubs on their ears, especially after the medicine. I sure hope they understand I'm not trying to hurt them!

They understand that you love them and that you are not doing this to torture them; they will come round once they can be sure that there is no more medication. Be patient.
 
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