New Guinea pig owner was lots of questions

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I just adopted two guinea pigs from a home that had too many. They are about 3 months old, sisters. This is the first time they're away from their mom and brother. I want to take care of them perfectly and have so many questions but no one to ask. these are my first Guinea pigs.

The cage I was given is a bit smaller than it should be, I know that, but it's an issue that I have to resolve with my husband still. But I will have this cage for at least another few weeks. Right now, it's not really possible to pick up my guinea pigs because there's not much open space in it and I don't want to force them out of their hideys just to pick them up. I just took the one out of the cage by lifting her out in her hidey. She came out on the floor so I picked her up but I think i scared her because I was afraid she was going to run away so I moved quickly. I tried to hold her but she was squealing terribly so I had to put it back in. Will she forgive me? I've only had them for about 4 days. How do I get them used to me and bond with him without being able to pick them up? I try to give them greens every time I approach the cage or right after I do handle them, like today. They will eat the food out of my hands mostly and know when it's coming and seem excited but still don't like to be touched. And at a week I will take everything out to clean their cage completely so at that point I will have to pick them up to put them in their temporary pen.

I've done research and they have been itching themselves multiple times every hour so I think the stress of moving to a new place and all the changes to their habitat has brought on some mites or something. I read that they can carry them with them and will only exit symptoms when they have been stressed which they definitely have in the last few days. I got some ivermectin from Los Angeles Guinea pig rescue to treat them but I'm just really nervous. Has anyone else dealt with this? I'm an anxious pet owner and this is the first time I've had guinea pigs and it's way different than any other pet I've ever had.
The people that I got them from said that they have had guinea pigs for 14 years but I don't agree with the things that they told me they do, like they said they don't put anything in their cage for them to hide because it only makes them more shy and they feed them food with treats in it and they said the more you pick them up the tamer they will be and you should chase them to pick them up. So I've added four spots for hiding, there is a smaller second level with one of those hiding spots to give some more room and that has helped a bit but now I just don't know how I'm going to be able to pick them up to trim their nails or give them their medicine or anything like that and I'm really anxious about it.

The hideout on the second layer also has to be just a cardboard box because I don't have the money to buy another kind right now. Is the cardboard box safe?

My research also said that it will take them about 2 weeks to establish their hierarchy but I'm also anxious about that because the one chases the other one around quite a bit and when the submissive one squeals it breaks my heart. She will flee to one of the hideys while the dominant one sits there and eats and she'll make little chirping noises and I just want to reach in and save her. She literally just be sitting there minding your own business and the dominant one will come over and make her move to a corner.
 
Welcome to the forum

Just so you have the information you need -
The cage two sows need is 60x24 inches on a single level (that is 150x60cm). Piggies don’t like to live in multiple level cages.
They do need multiple hides and each hide need to have multiple exits.
Cardboard is fine for them to have.

Very importantly you say this is their first time away from their mum and brother.
Can you confirm whether this means the brother was in the same cage with your two female piggies?
If so then your girls are highly likely to be pregnant and you will need to prepare for arrival of pups. A pregnancy lasts 10 weeks and with sows having their first season between 4-6 weeks of age, means the earliest sows would give both is when they are 14-16 weeks of age

Regarding picking them up. They are prey animals and most piggies do not want to be picked up. It isn’t something they enjoy. It’s important to recognise that bonding with them does not necessarily come from picking them up.
I only ever pick mine up to do their health, weight checks and nail clipping. I do not pick them up for cuddles - they don’t like it so I just don’t do it. I bond with them through hand feeding them, sitting by their cage and talking to them etc.

When you do need to pick them up, herding them into a box and then picking them up from the box is the best thing to do.

We would advise you are a vet about the potential for mites and have them properly diagnosed and treated accordingly.

When it comes to dominance behaviours, while it is normal dominance there is no need for you to be concerned or feel you need to save her (and you definitely shouldn’t as you would disrupt all their process and normal societal function). It’s totally normal for the dominant to life the submissive along.
Make sure hay is in multiple places in the cage so she can go and eat somewhere else.
The squeaking when chased is submission and is perfectly normal and the correct response for her to make.

I’ve added some guides below which will help you

New Owners' Essential Information and Practical Tips Starter Collection
 
Welcome to the forum and (it will be) the wonderful world of guinea pigs. All the links are well worth reading to educate yourself but are also very interesting.
As you mentioned being able to get to LAGPR, if for whatever reason you can't get your little ones vet checked, please take them for a health check there and nail trim there.
 
Welcome to the forum! You have the right instinct, your piggies will benefit from being able to choose between being inside a hide and being in the open. The cardboard box is great, they make great disposable hides. If you put some soft hay inside, they will find it very comfortable. I press it down or try to get soft hay as sometimes the sharper hay when used for bedding can scratch the piggy's eye, which means going to the vet for treatment. It is quite early for cuddles, but your girls might get used to or even enjoy handling in due course. They have to be picked up for basic care, so some gentle habituation in time is a good thing. I would give it a few weeks if they are healthy and then take them to hhd vet for a check up. LAGPR has some nice videos of how to administer Ivermectine, so if they are scratching alot that is something you can do now. They might sit still long enough in the box to let you apply it. Picking them up in the hidey is a good idea too as they feel much more comfortable in that and you should be able to get the Ivermectine on with a bit of manoeuvring. It takes a bit of patient, gentle persistence and lettuce leaves and cucumber to get it done. Good luck and welcome to the forum!
 
The C&C cages are great as they are quite flexible and quite fun to create and customise. When you do a big clean, leave some smelly old bedding behind as this is reassuring for the dominant piggy and will keep her calmer. You can also clean half the cage one day and the other half the next. More space should help reduce the dominant piggy's need to reassert her dominance. Hides should have two entrances so subordinate piggy can scoot out when she wants to. It looks quite mean, but piggies are adapted to this. It sounds like the hierarchy is quite clear, so there shouldn't be fighting. You can also pile hay for them to hide in and play in.
 
I’ve just had an urgent thought about this and I should have connected the dots when I replied to you last night - if they were in with their brother and there is the chance they are pregnant then please DO NOT use the ivermectin, instead See a vet immediately. Ivermectin can be harmful to unborn pups at certain stages of development and should not be used when mum is nursing.

You should not leave it a few weeks for them to settle in before seeing a vet if there is any risk that their background is not ideal.

There are two types of mites - hay mites which are an annoyance and lay their eggs in the hair shaft; and mange mites which burrow into the skin and can become a serious issue.
Treatment is dosed according to weight and you have to have the right strength of ivermectin, it is done as a course of three separate treatments with two weeks between each treatment.
If they are pregnant then this puts you in a difficult situation and you must get vet advice about this before doing any treatments.
 
Welcome to the forum! :D

You have been given a lot of excellent advice above but please be careful to administer Ivermertin on your own.
You said that your girls are just 3 months old. At that age Ivermectin should only be used if absolutely necessary.
If they scratch a lot, please take them to see a vet who can tell you if mites are really the problem and also give you the right dosage. If you start using it, you have to give it at least three times (7 days apart), not just once or twice!
The vet could also verify the gender.
 
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