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Senior Pig Jaw/Infection Symptoms and Questionable Lymphoma

elucie00

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Hello, I am a long time lurker and first time poster. I believe I've correctly read through all the rules for posting and located the correct location to post this but please let me know if that is not the case and I will correct any issues.
I was prompted to start posting on forums after months of what truly seems to be gross negligence from what is supposed to be a region renowned exotic vet practice(Stahl Exotics in Fairfax, VA, USA).

To give some basic info about my pig, Chad, I've had him for over 7 years and got him when he seemed to be fairly young, making him just a bit older than 7 years old. He lives in a 2'x4' midwest style cage, has access to unlimited oxbow timothy/orchard grass at all times, recieves 2 oxbow vitamin c cookies per day, 1/8 cup oxbow adult guinea pig pellets, and around 1 cup or fresh veggies per day. Despite many attempts to introduce cage mates to him, he has never gotten along with other guinea pigs so he is my only pig. Aroud a year ago I started weighing him weekly since he was getting older so I would be more likely to catch any issues.

He's been the picture of health as long as I've had him, with his only health history being a chipped front incisorwhich was filed down without incident and healed fine w meloxicam for pain management and a small enlarged pore/trichofolliculoma in 2022, and very early in 2023 he developed 2 lumps on his testicles(one on left, one on right, neither are the same size or in mirroring locations) which the vet examnied and said appeared to be fatty deposits/lipomas or other benign growths. They have not changed size or location since and have never appeared to cause him any discomfort. Every once in a while during the winter he would develop some dandruff, but this hasnt been an issue for several years and seemed to revolve with increasing his vitamin c cookies and moving to a new apartment that was less dry.
I will be attempting to keep the desc. as brief as possible but it is unfortunately a very long story.

!All of the exact CBC values I have included in the dates were given to me FAR AFTER the dates they are listed under. I requested copies of all of his bloodwork following my appointment at the end of november. I have only included the out of range values/values of note but have the full panel if more info is needed. !

9/4: slight issues, weight loss, appetite loss. Vet says no issues besides very minor molar overgrowth that can wait a couple weeks to be trimmed since I'm about to leave

9/8: EXTREME deterioration of condition over the weekend, not eating or drinking, lethargic, agressive and pain indicators. Goes back to a different vet at same office who will be his vet for the rest of timeline. Vet says he has begun GI stasis, and that lack of appetite is due to molars which still dont look very long but must be bothering him. He is given simethicone for gas, cisapride for gut motility, and meloxicam for pain/inflammation.

9/9: I drop him off for 1 week observation while I am out of town

9/12: gets molar trim, blood taken for CBC, blood chemistry and fecal float/stain are normal.

9/15: I am informed his weight has dropped from 1046g to 961g. Vet wants to run CBC to check for lymphoma and stop meloxicam to prep for possible prednisolone, I agree.

CBC Results taken 9/12: PCV(%) 48(HIGH),
WBC(Absolute)= WBC(/ul): 17329(HIGH),
heterophils(/ul): 3090(normal) differential(%): 17.9%(LOW),
lymphocytes(/ul): 11426(HIGH) differential(%): 65.9%(NORMAL, IN RANGE),
monocytes(/ul) 1592(HIGH) differential(%): 9.2%(HIGH),
eosinophils(/ul): 1217(HIGH) differential(%): 7%(HIGH),
basophils: 0,
band cells: 0,
TOXIC CELLS(/ul): 4. Heterophil morphology: mild to moderate toxic change present, toxic granules.(this result seems to have been completely ignored by the vet, and is clearly an indicator of infection)
Lymphocyte morphology: small to intermediate(normal)

9/16: Vet calls and says he has lymphoma, wants me to try experimental chemotherapy drug Lomustine in addition to the perdnisolone, that she can give first dose of today. Claims no negative side whatsoever for chemotherapy, and that it will greatly improve condition. Upon pickup he is in HORRIBLE shape, skin and bones, horrible smell, barely the energy to even move. Vet tech's unable to give me any answers on when or if his condition will improve and double down on the "no side effects" lomustine when I raise concerns. I continue the cisapride and simethicone for 7 more days, he recieves .3ml of prednisolone per day. and .37ml lomustine every 30 days(first dose 9/16).

9/25: Another vet visit due to no improvement, slight weight gain w 3 emer-aid assist feeds per day. Ever since picking him up from the week observation at vet he has been itching himself constantly, especially around ears and legs. No obvious visible cause, and not iching hard enough to leave mark or missing fur. The bad smell has gotten worse but I'm not positive where its coming from. He has begun drooling out of both sides of his mouth, and I hear an occasional wet popping/sucking noise from mouth when eating/drinking. Teeth are are worn down unevenly, right incisor overgrown, left molars overgrown. I inform vet of all symptoms and she says he needs another molar trim becuase they didnt file enough down the first time. Says sides are uneven because I'm favoring a certain side when assist feeding him, not because chewing on left side is painful for him. Says no abnormalities in mouth. NO improvement following this molar trim. His itching still continues, and I start to notice pale flaky skin on his ears. Vet reccommends vetercyn gel for moisturizing, no improvement gets worse. Vet gives tramadol(opioid) prescription to give every 12 hours for pain, unclear if it actually improves his pain.

10/6: ANOTHER vet visit. Smell has gotten worse and is very clearly coming from his mouth. A few days before this visit all of a sudden his left eye swells up accompanied by thin clear discharge. Within 24 hours it is completely back to normal. I have increased his assist feeds to 4x per day since he is not eating or drinking a significant amount on his own, get a little weight back on him but still clearly suffering. Vet wants to do ANOTHER molar trim despite even her saying they look fine. I refuse and ask for antibiotics which they eventually agree to in conjunction with another CBC to see how lomustine/prednisolone is being tolerated and to look for infection. He begins marbofloxacin .05ml(100mg/ml concentration) for 21 days which vet says has good bone penetration. Following CBC results vet increases prednisolone dosage from .3ml per day to .4ml per day. Following 10/16 lomustine dose, vet wants me to increase lomustine frequency to every 21 days. Vet still has no explanation for itching and flaky skin. When I bring up his eye swelling/discharge(identical to what he had when he chipped his incisor) she dismisses it and then eventually comes back to the room and says that after consulting "the literature", the eye swelling may likely be a very rare for of OCCIPITAL LYMPHOMA. After this appointment I try applying a very thin layer of miconozole to his ears once or twice a day, flaky skin dissappears, stops ear itching, still itching body.

CBC Results taken 10/6:
PCV(%) 49(increased 1%, HIGH),
WBC(Absolute)= WBC(/ul): 16061(slight decrease, still HIGH),
heterophils(/ul): 6405(sharp increase, HIGH) differential(%): 39.9%(IN RANGE),
lymphocytes(/ul): 8222(significant decrease, still HIGH) differential(%): 51.2%(IN RANGE),
monocytes(/ul) 956(decrease, still HIGH) differential(%): 6%(IN RANGE),
eosinophils(/ul): 478(decrease, still HIGH) differential(%): 3%(IN RANGE),
basophils: 0,
band cells: 0,
TOXIC CELLS(/ul): 0. Heterophil morphology: mature, non-toxic(normal)
Lymphocyte morphology: mature, small, kurloff cells present(normal)

These results were a bit puzzling to me since he was in such horrible shape and appeared close to death when they were taken, They were from before he began the antibiotics and started greatly improving, although many of the values may be artificially decreased due to the lomustine and prednisolone.

10/13: 1 week marbofloxacin, condition VASTLY improved. Drooling stops, slightly increased appetite, smell subsiding.

10/16: recieves 2nd .37ml lomustine dose.

10/27: Completes 21 days marbofloxacin. Complete reversal of almost ALL symptoms as if he had never even been sick. Itching on ears still seems to be subsided, but occasionally itching other spots. Still sleeps slightly more than usual during day but not to a concerning level. Feeling extremely shocked that all of his discomfort issues appear to have been due to this infection and uncertain how the vet missed all of the key signs, even when they were directly pointed out to her.

11/6: recieves 3rd .37ml lomustine dose. Following this dose his weight gain(which had been greatly increasing) seems to level off.

11/22: Chad has been eating and drinking completely on his own for about a month now with no resurgance of ANY of his previous symptoms whatsoever. He is still itching, possibly even his ears again, and has greatly decreased muscle mass(previously he has always had very good muscle mass) and his fur has become noticibly thinner and is shedding in large quantities. No balding or extreme thinning, fur is still relatively normal. Following previous lomustine dose he seemed to stop gaining weight, at this point he started losing very time amounts of weight, his follow up vet appointment is 11/25 so I wait.

11/25: The very very early signs of Chad's mouth/dental problems have started to return, in identical order and symptoms. Slightly decreased interest in dry food/hay, very mild increase in fatigue, discomfort around jaw, etc. When I tell vet about Chad's complete recovery for over a month with the antibiotics, she says it is likely just the ups and downs of cancer, despite she herself confirming infection. Seems interested in ear itching improving with miconozole cream(antifungal), but moves on after a quick visual inspection of his fur/skin and says she doesnt see any signs of ringworm. When I push her more on the subject and ask about the many other fungal infections that are not ringworm, she says she doesnt see anything of concern. When I ask her about his huge decrease in muscle mass and fur loss, she says it is to be expected from prednisolone, which would have been nice to know when I asked about the side effects of the steroid and lomustine the first time. When I tell her his infection symptoms are returning she seems extremely skeptical? I try to bring up beginning another round of a different antibiotic since the marbofloxacin clearly showed vast improvement, indicating symptoms were infection related, but also they returned which means he was not on the antibiotics long enough, or that a different antibiotic is needed. Vet says no and cites worries about antibiotic resistance to marbofloxacin. I point out that we are far past the frame of that being a concern since he COMPLETED his previous round in october. She seems confused about his medication timeline, checks, corrects herself and agrees with me. She said she wants to do marbofloxacin AGAIN for NO LESS than 4 weeks, I want 6 weeks. She says no due to his previous bad stomach reaction to it, which he did NOT have. I correct her that this did not happen, and suggest chloramphenicol as an antibiotic, which she seems open to. She refuses to let me leave the appointment with any antibiotics, takes another CBC sample, and says I can come back and pick up antibiotics depending on results.

11/29: still no results from cbc, condition much worse and very clearly same as before, resume 2 assist feed per day. Call vets office and must repeatedly ask for the antibitoics I discussed with the vet,chloramphenicol, vet tech says vet says they are not necessary. I for some reason just have to keep asking which seems ridiculous, and vet tech eventually comes back and says vet agreed to another 3 weeks of marbofloxacin. When I tell her that the vet herself said he should go on it for no less than 4 weeks, the vet tech says no this is what she said. He begins another round of marbofloxacin, which I intend to give him for possibly 6 weeks since I have leftover from previous bottle.

CBC Results taken 11/26:
PCV(%) 56(increased 7%, HIGH),
WBC(Absolute)= WBC(/ul): 13293(slight decrease, still HIGH),
heterophils(/ul): 4215(slight decrease, STILL HIGH) differential(%): 31.7%(IN RANGE, on low end),
lymphocytes(/ul): 7296(slight decrease, still HIGH) differential(%): 54.9%(IN RANGE),
monocytes(/ul) 810(decrease, still HIGH) differential(%): 6.1%(HIGH),
eosinophils(/ul): 972(INCREASE! HIGH) differential(%): 7.3%(HIGH),
basophils: 0,
band cells: 0,
TOXIC CELLS(/ul): 0.
Heterophil morphology: mature, non-toxic(normal)
Lymphocyte morphology: small to intermediate, small kurloff cells present(normal)

These results are also surprising to me, while lowered lymphocyte/WBC is to be expected due to lomustine and prednisolone, eosinophile has had sharp increase. Vet said nothing about this.

12/1: vet calls with CBC results, says that there are no signs of infection, high heterophil count due to prednisolone, not infection. Says while there is a lymphocyte decrease, it is not as drastic as they usually see with the lomustine/prednisolone treatment. Implies that lymphoma is progressing despite no lymph node swelling EVER, normal lymphocyte morphology, etc. I slightly decrease his prednisolone to .3ml(VERY slowly tapered down from .4ml over a week and a half), and have not followed up with another dosage of lomustine due to concerns about the symptoms from these two medications negatively impacting his quality of life, as well as very badly impedeing his immune system.

12/14(today): After about a week and a half of improvement on antibiotics, they slowly started to seem less effective. Condition is now worsening. Once again, these are only oral/jaw related symptoms. Today his drooling returned, he suddenly dropped a bit of weight from 1074g on 12/12 to 1030g today. I am once again assist feeding him 3x per day, giving cisapride and simethicone 2x per day, tramadol every 12 hours for pain, and giving him bene-bac every 12 hours(2 hours after antibiotic in eveing, and in morning) to attempt to help some slightly smelly poop/gas from antibiotic. Starting about 3 days ago I noticed him suddenly having extremely dramatic jaw adjustment/chewing movements every once in a while after eating something, as if something was out of place, or he was trying to move or adjust the placement of the food in his mouth SPECIFICALLY on his LEFT side. I have not been able to capture a video of him doing this to the full extent, but I have gotten a video of him quickly doing it in a much less exagerrated way with his full mouth on both sides. I've attached 3 stills from the video showing what he is doing . I also noticed him lifting his lip specifically on the left side while eating at one point. Tomorrow (12/15) he has a vet appointment at a different exotic clinic in the area, Pender Vetrinary Centre in Fairfax, VA, USA. for a second opinion.

Thank you for sticking through if youve made it this far, I know that was alot of info. I am primarily seeking others opinions on this entire debacle, and possible advice if other have had similar health experiences with their pig, or lymphoma in general. While I dont want to go full "guinea pig conspiracy nut", I have my occasional doubt about the validity of this vets lymphoma diagnosis, and even more doubts regarding her decision to take such an aggressive course of harmful treatments, but I also recognize that his WBC counts and especially lymphocytes are far too high to be much else. Does anyone have any ideas what could be causing the return and sudden spike of eosinphils? Does anyone have any experience with using chloramphenicol as an antibiotic, specifically for something like an oral/dental infection? And most importantly, what are your thoughts on his condition as a whole? is this malocclusion? an abcess? What should I even be pushing for at my appointment for the new vet tomorrow?
As I'm sure you can guess from this wall of text, I'm willing and able to provide answers to any more questions and provide more context in areas where its needed upon request.
 

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Update following vet visit:

The new vet was unfortunately not entirely helpful but did offer some other options. Following this post I caught a few more instances of him moving his jaw in an unusual way which seemed to culminate in an episode right before we left for the vet which I was finally able to capture on video and unlike the other times included a loud popping sound. At some point over the past several years his mouth became always slightly ajar at his baseline relaxed state. Very early on(years ago when I first noticed it) I had brought this up to a vet and they said there was nothing wrong with his teeth nor was there any pain so it was probably nothing to worry about. Obviously with the popping sound/jaw movement/ajar mouth the idea of weakened muscles or TMJ came to mind so I'm currently playing around with some variations on the Chin Sling design and will be reaching out to its original creator to purchase the pattern/see if they have an opinion regarding Chad as a viable candidate for the treatment. The vet tech today immediately noticed and commented on the open mouth and discussed it with me, and when the vet finally came in we discussed the possibility of a soft tissue/ligament/muscular problem on the left side of his jaw. I will hopefully be bringing him in for a CT scan tomorrow. Despite the $100 visit bill the vet seemed ready to rush out of the room as soon as she was able to and had pretty much no commentary or many thoughts to offer regarding any of his medications or positive responce to the antibitoics other than agreeing with the possibility of the problem being soft tissue related but they were at least able to confirm that there were still no problems with the length of his molars/incisors. On the bright side she practically shoved a gabepentin prescription and tramadol refill into my hands so I will be using that on him until they are either able to DIRECTLY identify a cause of his pain/suffering via CT scan tomorrow, or it comes back inconclusive in which case being PTS will obviously be the logical next step.
 
12/17/2025 6:04PM:
I’m unfortunately not updating with good news. After picking him up from his CT scan it was immediately apparent something was not right. While I wasn’t expected going under anesthesia to be a breeze, he’s never had any problems other than being a bit groggy and that usually gone within a few hours. I don’t know how to describe his reaction other than something that seemed almost neurological. I was holding him for a while when we got home to give him medicine and assist feed some CC, but as soon as I put him in his cage he was very active but EXTREMELY confused for lack of a better term. Attempting to shove his head into every random crevice he could find and then forcing himself into whatever corner of his cage was closest to me, but no pain indicators at least. Later in the night he seemed to be having soft poop.
Even though he didn’t seem to be in any pain or distress I started fearing the worst especially with his confusion. We’re together all day every day as I work from home and work right next to his cage so he definitely seemed comforted by my presence so I held him for the rest of the night and moved his cage next to my bed so if he passed in the night he wouldn’t be alone.
I was hoping to avoid PTS until after his CT scan results came back but unfortunately I will be bringing him to the vet in an hour to say goodbye. In the morning I was worried he had already passed due to his lack of reaction and noise but he was just very “out of it” still for lack of a better term to a more extreme extent.
I’ve had him laying on my chest since then while we wait for his vet appointment. At some point around 10am I realized that recovery in any way was no longer in the cards for him. I don’t know if it was a complication of the anesthesia, or just multiple factors at play that made it his time, but there was a shocking regression. I think somehow his back half has become paralyzed and he seems to have lost control of his urination/pooping. Surprisingly he hasn’t seemed to be in any pain all day. I gave him Gabepentin and Tramadol to make sure. He’s seemed extremely content laying on me for the past 8 hours while wait and I spoil him with all of his favorite foods, and has napped a couple times and even had some dreams(seemingly about eating).
I will update the thread with the results of his CT scan when I receive the results in case anyone comes across this thread in the future with similar symptoms.

12/18/2025
I took him back to his original vet to have it done since he was more familiar with that office. Even though I had my reservations about some of their diagnoses their process for being PTS was better than I could have hoped for and very comforting. It was extremely important to me to be by his side until the very end to talk to him and hold him and they allowed me to be there for both the initial sedation shot as well as the final shot to stop his heart which I know some clinics don’t so that was a great comfort to me and I hope him as well.
I supposed that’s about the end of this thread. I will post CT updates if/when there are any.
(Bonus Photo of our boy during his chunkier days)
 

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For anyone stumbling across this thread for CT Scan related reasons, I thought I would also share these photos one of the vet tech’s shared with me from Chad’s CT scan. Even though it did not end as well as it could have, the silliness of the photos eased my nerves a bit and demystified the process some. Also just seeing a guinea pig in general go through a CT machine was pretty amusing.
 

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Oh no I’m so sorry Chad has had the call to the rainbow bridge. You have done everything you possibly could for him. Sometimes no matter how hard we try it’s just their time. Sending you hugs. He was a gorgeous boy ❤️
 
BIG HUGS

I am so very sorry that you have had to send Chad to the Rainbow Bridge today. You have absolutely made the right decision and he has made his journey clearly carried on the wings of your love.

Unfortunately, better diagnostic instruments and lab testing doesn't necessarily translate into perfect diagnoses - a lot of it depends on a trained interpretation of scans, x-rays and bloods because biology is a very much a messy world out there where signs/stymptoms can be very subtle and are often rather mixed.

Pandora's box has simply got a lot bigger with a lot more ills fitting into it. It usually comes down to a careful weighing up. That is also the reason why nobody on here can interpret scans and x-rays; we simply lack the training and the practical experience, which makes such a big part of any veterinary training, together with calculating medical dosages according to the severity of any symptoms and their potential interaction.

Please try to take consolation that you have done for Chad all you could and that there was sadly nothing that could have saved him. Once their much faster metabolism turns against piggies, you are usually in a race you cannot win. :(

Thank you for the scan pictures. I haven't seen any before.

Chad looks very cute and it is great that he is making you smile until the very last. I sincerely hope that he is going to be one of those special piggies you'll always remember with a silly grin on your face and a welling up of love in your heart. A true blessing. ❤️

PS: If you feel overwhelmed or struggle with your grieving process; if you have questions about companionship for any bereaved mates, please know that you are welcome to ask any questions or ask for understanding community in our dedicated End of Life & Bereavement section.
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Heard back from the vet regarding Chad’s CT results, I’ll copy and paste the voicemail transcript(keep in mind some of the words are incorrect due to bad transcript quality):

“Hi there, this is Dr. Federally from Pender.
Just following up on Chad CT report. Looks like the TMJ and the skull are normal. They did not see any abnormal abnormalities with the jaw joints with the teeth structures. Or anything else with the skull, but they did notice the swelling of the lymph node, which we already knew about, and she wonders if perhaps that's what's causing the clicking, if the presence of that is pushing pressure on the jaw, because there's nothing else skeletal that would explain that. So I hope this at least gives you some answers. I know it's not necessarily the best answer, seeing as, you're already doing everything that you can for Chad, and I'm hoping that he continues to stay pain free for as long as possible, but, if you have any questions or concerns, I'm in the office today until four.
Thanks bye-bye.”
 
I was able to get not only the CT report, but access to all of the medical imaging as well. I’ll include as much as I can from the report in case someone else stumbles across this and finds it useful. I’ve included the photos from the report as well as two videos of the individual slices/images/layers of the CT scan. I also sent these results over to Chad’s original vet in case they would be useful for any similar cases they may encounter in the future.
Her result was as follows:
“Thank you so much for keeping me in the loop. A cervical mass is an interesting finding, certainly; and may have been growing over time. As the report states, cervical lymphadenopathy does commonly occur in guinea pigs (abscessation of the lymph node in that region, due to spread of intra-oral bacteria into the neck region via wounds within the mouth, such as from coarse hay or degenerative dental disease), but lymph nodes can also expand in size with lymphoma - which I would more strongly consider for Chad. Regardless, this explains his persistent jaw pain; I am glad that we were able to gain answers for the remaining questions pertaining to his condition.”
 
I was able to get not only the CT report, but access to all of the medical imaging as well. I’ll include as much as I can from the report in case someone else stumbles across this and finds it useful. I’ve included the photos from the report as well as two videos of the individual slices/images/layers of the CT scan. I also sent these results over to Chad’s original vet in case they would be useful for any similar cases they may encounter in the future.
Her result was as follows:
“Thank you so much for keeping me in the loop. A cervical mass is an interesting finding, certainly; and may have been growing over time. As the report states, cervical lymphadenopathy does commonly occur in guinea pigs (abscessation of the lymph node in that region, due to spread of intra-oral bacteria into the neck region via wounds within the mouth, such as from coarse hay or degenerative dental disease), but lymph nodes can also expand in size with lymphoma - which I would more strongly consider for Chad. Regardless, this explains his persistent jaw pain; I am glad that we were able to gain answers for the remaining questions pertaining to his condition.”
For whatever reason the images/videos are getting stuck on 0% when trying to upload, will try again tomorrow.
 
I was able to get not only the CT report, but access to all of the medical imaging as well. I’ll include as much as I can from the report in case someone else stumbles across this and finds it useful. I’ve included the photos from the report as well as two videos of the individual slices/images/layers of the CT scan. I also sent these results over to Chad’s original vet in case they would be useful for any similar cases they may encounter in the future.
Her result was as follows:
“Thank you so much for keeping me in the loop. A cervical mass is an interesting finding, certainly; and may have been growing over time. As the report states, cervical lymphadenopathy does commonly occur in guinea pigs (abscessation of the lymph node in that region, due to spread of intra-oral bacteria into the neck region via wounds within the mouth, such as from coarse hay or degenerative dental disease), but lymph nodes can also expand in size with lymphoma - which I would more strongly consider for Chad. Regardless, this explains his persistent jaw pain; I am glad that we were able to gain answers for the remaining questions pertaining to his condition.”
 

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