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Advice on Spaying a six year old piggy

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Did you speak with your vet about potentially just removing the ovaries rather than a complete spay? This may be less harsh on her x
Yes I did! She explained, this was only possible as a birth control option, and not possible for enlarged cysts, only to take the tiny healthy ovaries out. Thank you for this suggestion though :)
 

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Huge hugs to you. I'm not going to say what I would do because I am not in your position, I am not emotionally attached to Honey and therefore what I think I would do might not be the same if I were in your shoes. No one can predict the future but if you are going to do it it needs to be sooner rather than later
 

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Huge hugs to you. I'm not going to say what I would do because I am not in your position, I am not emotionally attached to Honey and therefore what I think I would do might not be the same if I were in your shoes. No one can predict the future but if you are going to do it it needs to be sooner rather than later
I'm gonna think about it over the next couple days, and see where those thoughts lead me to. Thank you for your message though :)
 

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I'm gonna think about it over the next couple days, and see where those thoughts lead me to. Thank you for your message though :)
It is so much easier when the vet tells you it's needed. When bumble was spayed it was an emergency spay so there was none of this second guessing what the best option was. It does sound like your vet is extremely good though.
 

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It is so much easier when the vet tells you it's needed. When bumble was spayed it was an emergency spay so there was none of this second guessing what the best option was. It does sound like your vet is extremely good though.
Yeah that is the problem, at this moment in time, either option I make has a risk, but both are valid options, the vet said both are understandable choices whatever I decide and she was not concerned for her health if I did leave it. Both options, I'm not gonna know what would've happened if I went for the other, that's the hardest part I guess, knowing what's best for the future. I guess the ultimate question is, if I left it, would I regret doing nothing when I could've done something now, or will I regret having it done if she doesn't make it, what is gonna cause me a larger amount of distress
 

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Yes I did! She explained, this was only possible as a birth control option, and not possible for enlarged cysts, only to take the tiny healthy ovaries out. Thank you for this suggestion though :)
I’m sorry to disagree with your Vet but I have had 2 sows with significantly enlarged cysts spayed laparoscopically. One was 3 and the other over 4. Neither had their uterus removed and both bounced back quickly. I’ve had 2 with full spay and both took longer to recover. Both full spsys were required as the uterus required removal for both, I’d be tempted to seek a second opinion from an exotics specialist as if at all possible I’d opt for the laparoscopic spay.
 

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I’m sorry to disagree with your Vet but I have had 2 sows with significantly enlarged cysts spayed laparoscopically. One was 3 and the other over 4. Neither had their uterus removed and both bounced back quickly. I’ve had 2 with full spay and both took longer to recover. Both full spsys were required as the uterus required removal for both, I’d be tempted to seek a second opinion from an exotics specialist as if at all possible I’d opt for the laparoscopic spay.
I can also vouch for this. My 4 and a half year old girl had a very large cyst that was removed laparoscopically and when she came home it was like she had never been for an op. She was running around and eating straight away! Maybe call around some more exotic vets as @VickiA mentioned and ask for their thoughts. Good luck x
 

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I’m sorry to disagree with your Vet but I have had 2 sows with significantly enlarged cysts spayed laparoscopically. One was 3 and the other over 4. Neither had their uterus removed and both bounced back quickly. I’ve had 2 with full spay and both took longer to recover. Both full spsys were required as the uterus required removal for both, I’d be tempted to seek a second opinion from an exotics specialist as if at all possible I’d opt for the laparoscopic spay.
I appreciate your post, What she explained to me, is the size of the cysts Honey has, the side incisions would not be large enough to remove just the ovaries, basically the insisions would end up slicing her in half to remove the cysts without bursting them. I think the issue is more the fluid in the cysts, because if that bursts, it's likely to be posionous to Honey if absorbed. Maybe this is more possible with different types of cysts, I'm not sure?
 

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I think Ive made my decision, and I'm going to get her spayed. I looked at her and her cysts are rather large, who knows what discomfort that could course, and although she's fine in every other way, she could be hiding a lot of pain (as we all know guinea pigs are great at doing), she also doesn't squeak which doesn't give me much help knowing if it hurts during the examinations she had either.

I need to think positively at the fact if she pulls through she will be living a healthier life than she currently is.

Addition question: as Willow is still young, would it be advisable for me to put a wall between half of my c&c cage for the sake of giving Honey a calm atmosphere to recover in? Willow does like to jump around and use Honey as a hurdle sometimes and I'm worried this would cause damage to Honey? What are people's thoughts, also if there's any useful links people have found to be useful with information about post-op care I'd be very appreciative if they could be shared. Thanks again everyone that's given advice, I don't know what I did before signing up to this forum! ❣
 

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Have a good look through the above guides. The ones on post op care and syringe feeding are important.

Personally I don’t separate piggies unless after surgery they really can’t cope with each other. I think they do best with their friends. I would make the cage smaller & remove all ramps, trays etc and out everything in their reach. You’ll need to keep things simple.
Prepare for syringe feeding. Buy some critical care or emeraid in advance so you have it ready as piggies need support after such a big op and you need to keep the guts moving. Plan for 3 hourly feeds for the first 24 hours then reducing over next few days to stimulate appetite and encourage return to normal feeding.
If you work, plan the surgery to ensure you can have done time off after surgery so you can do the post op care. Night feeding is tiring!
 

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@VickiA thank you for this advice! This is my first time experience of post op care, so want to do as much research prior so it goes as smoothly as possible. I'll give those guides a read. And Honey does not use the ramps in the cage so would it be okay to leave these alone and give Willow that space to get away?
In terms of work my contracted hours are only 8, so my work place is very flexible if I need to sack off my overtime. Usually how long should I take off work? Obviously it's different for every pig, would a week be sufficient in most cases?
 

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@VickiA thank you for this advice! This is my first time experience of post op care, so want to do as much research prior so it goes as smoothly as possible. I'll give those guides a read. And Honey does not use the ramps in the cage so would it be okay to leave these alone and give Willow that space to get away?
In terms of work my contracted hours are only 8, so my work place is very flexible if I need to sack off my overtime. Usually how long should I take off work? Obviously it's different for every pig, would a week be sufficient in most cases?
Is she is not using the ramps, you can leave them. I would consider switching to having the hay on newspaper on the fleece for the first two days if you have hay trays or hay corners with an edge. Leave your two bonded girls together as much as possible.
 

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Is she is not using the ramps, you can leave them. I would consider switching to having the hay on newspaper on the fleece for the first two days if you have hay trays or hay corners with an edge. Leave your two bonded girls together as much as possible.
Okay thank you for your advice once again, I really appreciate it!
 

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I can't add further to the advice given but I wanted to wish you and Honey all the best. I hope the operation goes smoothly
 

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I can't add further to the advice given but I wanted to wish you and Honey all the best. I hope the operation goes smoothly
Thank you so much, I will be booking to operation this afternoon once I have finished at work, I'm sure I'll keep this thread updated. Thank you for everyone's support 😊 Let's keep our fingers crossed!
 

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@VickiA thank you for this advice! This is my first time experience of post op care, so want to do as much research prior so it goes as smoothly as possible. I'll give those guides a read. And Honey does not use the ramps in the cage so would it be okay to leave these alone and give Willow that space to get away?
In terms of work my contracted hours are only 8, so my work place is very flexible if I need to sack off my overtime. Usually how long should I take off work? Obviously it's different for every pig, would a week be sufficient in most cases?
A day or 2 off work should be enough. But it just depends on the piggy.
My slowest spay recovery was from Poppy who, after 48 hours was making no effort to feed herself, and was entirely reliant on syringe feeding. So on day 3 and with the vets blessing I lessened the volume offered and had herbs and grass out with her so she could nibble on her favourite foods as well as the syringe feed. And I left longer between feeds to make her less “full”. By day 4 she was feeding herself with just a bedtime “top up”. Think she’s got a bit of a “victim” mentality.
My fastest recovery was Holly - collected from vets at 5pm. Syringe feed at 7pm, again at about 10.30. Got up at 1am and she was chomping on hay, reluctant to take the syringe feedbut took some. Got up again about 4am. She had about 1ml only, hand fed her veg and herbs and she went back in the cage and ate pellets in front of me. And she completely refused any syringe feeding after that. Holly is Little Miss Feisty and hugely independent. So no surprises there really.
I think as long as you’re prepared with syringe feed, herbs, treats etc and you accept that you’re going to have a couple of disturbed nights doing feeds until she’s better then you and she will be fine. They look very sorry for themselves but only for a very short period of time.
 

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A day or 2 off work should be enough. But it just depends on the piggy.
My slowest spay recovery was from Poppy who, after 48 hours was making no effort to feed herself, and was entirely reliant on syringe feeding. So on day 3 and with the vets blessing I lessened the volume offered and had herbs and grass out with her so she could nibble on her favourite foods as well as the syringe feed. And I left longer between feeds to make her less “full”. By day 4 she was feeding herself with just a bedtime “top up”. Think she’s got a bit of a “victim” mentality.
My fastest recovery was Holly - collected from vets at 5pm. Syringe feed at 7pm, again at about 10.30. Got up at 1am and she was chomping on hay, reluctant to take the syringe feedbut took some. Got up again about 4am. She had about 1ml only, hand fed her veg and herbs and she went back in the cage and ate pellets in front of me. And she completely refused any syringe feeding after that. Holly is Little Miss Feisty and hugely independent. So no surprises there really.
I think as long as you’re prepared with syringe feed, herbs, treats etc and you accept that you’re going to have a couple of disturbed nights doing feeds until she’s better then you and she will be fine. They look very sorry for themselves but only for a very short period of time.
Thank you for this message, I guess I'll just have to take each day as it comes, she is a big eater so I'm hoping her appetite won't be lost too much 🤞
 

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Today's the day 😷 I feel sick with worry 😰 Thank you everyone that's given me their advice and supported me through this decision, I actually don't know what I would've done without this forum... just got to keep our fingers and piggy toes crossed that everything goes as planned... and if she doesn't pull through, it wasn't meant to be. Somehow I think this is gonna be the longest day of my life... thank you once again guys, I'll post updates if anyone if interested ❣
 

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Today's the day 😷 I feel sick with worry 😰 Thank you everyone that's given me their advice and supported me through this decision, I actually don't know what I would've done without this forum... just got to keep our fingers and piggy toes crossed that everything goes as planned... and if she doesn't pull through, it wasn't meant to be. Somehow I think this is gonna be the longest day of my life... thank you once again guys, I'll post updates if anyone if interested ❣
All the best to you and your piggy, I really hope it all goes smoothly - everything crossed for you! Update us all later :) xx
 
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